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like Demonte welcome back to somewhere

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in the skies my friend how you doing oh

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great man it's good to be back you know

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it's usually every time I come on and

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talk to use usually promoting something

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or you know you ask me beyond the desks

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or the panel I think this case you know

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it's we have so much free time on our

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hands and you know we could create

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content out of multiple things so

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there's there's you know multiple things

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that we can discuss that are in the

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works and things that are currently

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going on and you know the world of UFOs

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and weird stuff so I think it was a

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really good opportunity time and always

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a lot of talk to me we don't get to talk

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often and this the only text every once

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in a while and you know but it's always

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good to kind of have this conversation

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you know you never know when you're

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is very uncertain in many ways well I

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guess we might as well touch on it I

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know everyone's sick of talking about it

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I'm sick of hearing about it

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but we have to it's it's very important

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it's omnipresent right now Cobin 19 so

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how are you dealing with this personally

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and how do you think it's affecting the

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UFO world you just wrote an article over

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a punk rock and UFOs everyone should go

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check that up about how this is

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affecting the UFO community but in

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general how are you personally doing how

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are you dealing with this everyone's

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dealing with it their own ways so yeah

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give it to me straight

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yeah I mean personally like I said I'm a

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teacher that's full-time so I don't have

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to worry about you know income coming in

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because we get paid regardless so I'm

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blessed in that regards not to worry

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about that I mean there's still things I

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have to do work related which are right

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now kind of all in in the works in terms

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of you know how we're going to be doing

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providing online instruction and work

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for now so it's it changes day by day so

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everything's very very big but I mean in

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terms of like staying in like you know I

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think people need to get over it it's

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not the end of the world we

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up internet to stop you know we have

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it's not natural disaster you know so

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staying in is you know it's not a big

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deal

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it could be much worse could be much

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worse so yeah you know if I have to stay

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in to avoid people getting sick tits you

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know I sell for other people that's so

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big yeah I mean we have Netflix we have

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books table books and practicing bass

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guitar and then actually I defied our

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room so I've like feel at home gym so

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like there's stuff to do you know

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there's stuff to do like this so there's

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things to I think of people I mean

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you're just you're always spoil but in

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terms of oh god I can't go the beach I

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can't do this and it's like you know

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it's it's really you know somehow

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natural disaster we're you're still able

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to live within your there be your realm

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right right exactly and I for anyone out

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there who's still going out in public

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gatherings um first of all what is wrong

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with you is not for you but for everyone

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getting infected and and not doing so

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hot for me so thinking you're invincible

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it's no longer an option so that's just

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UFO world tell us a little about this

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recent article you wrote so I wrote a

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very simple short article just because I

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breaking and there's some UFO research

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how you're gonna be affected I also knew

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potential or people donating to your

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any supporters of fans and yours I don't

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you know that it's affecting it this way

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Oh Seth Breedlove because this was right

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around on the show UFOs are supposed to

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is a great time to binge watch all of it

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canceled so affected them and also

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looking like some of the larger articles

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that your vice MJ had to ice articles

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that were you know for us for the UFO

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people you're like oh wow those are you

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honestly they got buried if you think

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about it in terms of everything else

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two stars on a Khurana that story and

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these you know these these big stores oh

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you're only going to be the negative

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effects of all this and there are

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dangerous and it's uncertain but at the

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their time to really shine because

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everyone's old everyone wants something

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little bit of beach yeah so the first

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enter key it's basically just looking at

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those true believers kind of took that

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and religions and as well and only that

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average reader the person who were just

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picking this up an idea of where we come

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from too so you know I featured some of

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stuff and their stories too because for

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to believers is making the connection

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between the average person and people in

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the UFO community what this is why you

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should care these people care and maybe

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you should too so that book had a lot of

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where the everyday person could pick it

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where the UFO researchers the paranormal

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researchers get where they're coming

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from jet where how they started and just

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that kind of brings me to we're not

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which hopefully finds a home soon and

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it's you know it's like you write a book

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know how it is and you put it out good

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this out I didn't have to worry like oh

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man I would've done that differently or

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background and you're used to the

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journalism of your writing news you know

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you want to get all the news in there of

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don't write extra word you know you want

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to be very straight to the point

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so my first few books were concise but

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they were a little sure I get a second

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one clocks I don't like under 170 so

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it's like it's a light read but what I'm

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working on now is like double that

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already and it's not where it's not

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concise ribs I'm writing about more

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things that not building a pub or

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you're always learning you're constantly

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learning and you're seeing different

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sides to the paranormal stuff and you

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start reading different books your mind

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really expands and I'm like man where

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was where was why wasn't i doing this

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when I wrote this book so you know

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because you kind of regret I wish I

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would have done that you know that there

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so what I'm working on now it's

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definitely it's really kind of taking

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with the first two books did and really

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built on it and I mean I'll give it more

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detail it's calling yes yeah it for sure

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it's the working title it's called

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stranger than fiction which is one of

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the chapters and true believers and it's

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stranger than fiction hey rube it's

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really looking at how what we believe in

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the stuff we study and how it truly is

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stranger than fiction I'm using it to

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kind of draw parallels between fiction

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and nonfiction stuff that we've seen you

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know through the years how you know I

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think we hate to say when you know we

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see people trying to blur the lines in

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between but what the lines have been

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blurred since the beginning of time you

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know we just kind of you know just kind

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of lost track of it so the books really

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looking at a lot of modern

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pop culture see where Stefan originated

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from and I'm using a lot of examples of

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historical allusions and it's really

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coming together very nicely I spoke to a

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lot of different people that I didn't

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the previous books are aware of and just

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just researching in general I was

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finding all these theories and that were

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out there that were academic theories

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too I really didn't help strengthen the

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arguments made of the book but the

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arguments pop in Florence I know where

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what I'm working towards now I think

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it's really cool because I think it's

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something where once again it's

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something like anyone can read it

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hey you like stranger things cool read

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this hey you want comic books this is

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right after your allergy oh you like

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UFOs you like paranormal herobrine it's

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just has all of this and more so we'll

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see I mean fingers crossed that it sees

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the light of day but I just started

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working on it probably a trending went a

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few months ago and it just kind of

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snowballed where I was like I was

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looking bad some of my punk rock UFOs

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are until I've done since the last

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moment I was like you Boston write

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another book is there anything I can use

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in terms of people I've interviewed oh

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no like whoa because a lot of the stuff

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I can use man going with somebody the

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stuff I've read since then too because

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you know like so we never stop learning

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and we're always discovering new books

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and some of the resources that we know

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everyone's allowed I'll see them post om

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read this book for the first time and to

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me I'm like oh wow you're just reading

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that but I'm like I do the same thing

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too I'm just I just you know read for

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the first time this year passport to

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begonia and I should have read that

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years ago you know I mean welcome yeah

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welcome to my life man

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I've tried to make it through that book

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about three times now but it's LA it's

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very hard to breeze through a shot okay

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good I'm playing one of my skate the

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hard part to me this sounds weird you

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know I probably find the opposite I

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breezed through the folklore

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aspect of it and then as soon as we got

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to the part where just like UFO

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sightings that took longer for me to do

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this is basically just like detailing

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certain psychics that's true yeah

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the media wasn't as exciting as the rest

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of the book like you're so cool and I

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think it helps like Titan can't give it

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context you know the previous stories

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but I thought the other part was just

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really fascinating Oh interesting

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oh well we'll definitely have to have

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you back on after you dissect that one

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for sure but no I'm super excited man

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I've been waiting for sort of the what

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would you call it the third installment

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of the trilogy

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you're reaching trilogy that's awesome

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well speaking of your articles you just

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came out with another one recently that

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has to do with shock fillet and this was

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with Rice University Whitley Strieber

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what what's going on without this man

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give it to me because when I first heard

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about this it's like what the hell sir

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what is Rice University doing with these

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pretty prominent UFO so when I first

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heard of this you're like the first

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person that came to mind I was like that

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and Ryan would go crazy if he saw it you

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know if he knew about it I told you so

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about Charlie what it was I think I

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found out about it about a year ago

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couple years ago I interviewed Jeffrey

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[\h__\h] for my book he was the last

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person I interviewed for true believers

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he appeared in Brad Abrams movie 11

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saucers and I was familiar with the name

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and then when I realized that he lives

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in Houston oh man I gotta meet this guy

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got an interview and I met him in his

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office I interviewed him I was really

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cool I got his book and his book blew me

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away because of mystics and since then

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I've developed a small friendship with

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them you know we keep in touch and he

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invited me when when was it November

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when Leslie Kean Kim speak to his

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classes and then you know I said we have

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an email correspondence and you know

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which is kind of a baited friendly and

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he invited me to talk to his class which

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I did a few weeks ago at Rice right

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before getting shut down as he teaches a

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class kind of based off his book mucin

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mystic so that was a real honor to kind

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of be invited to speak to his class and

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I really think he is

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definitely one of the most underrated

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people in the field when it comes to

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this stuff I mean he really gets it in

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fact all these big names have his

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respect and also are trusting him with

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his archives and that says something so

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professor pride was a great guy and he

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told me about this kind of in passing

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last year but he's very low-key about

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this stuff because to him it's like it's

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I mean to us every weekend eke out about

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it you know he's like oh yeah we're

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working on a paranormal conference and

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whitley strieber and Jack Foley are

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gonna be here and was like wait what I

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think I'm yeah it's to watch the archive

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so I'm like wait what archives like oh

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yeah we're housing with leash arbors

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letters but that's all he said the time

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gives like oh I just had witless Reavers

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letters said he's collaborating with

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them he's been friends with Whitley for

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years so I knew they were cool but

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basically he has all the letters that

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Whitley Strieber sent to him all the

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notes all the correspondence he just

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told me to oh it's the strawberry woods

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impediment he was like oh yeah so

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scribal errors is chopped away and like

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wait what okay so yeah he's just very

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nonchalant about this and when I learned

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from working with his students on the

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article I did you know he's like that

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with them too is like very like

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nonchalant about it so after I spoke to

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his class I did the article about the

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archives I'm doing about this for over a

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year I just feeding who want to be voted

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yet because there's a lot of named big

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names go I said oh hey I mean tentative

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it's supposed to be in October but he

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knows at this point right I think he's

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gonna be dead by the Scheffel a really

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Shriver ed may die at the Sultan are all

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gonna be there trying to gross Leslie

439
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Kean is gonna be there I'm supposed to

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moderate a panel

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I think I'm moderating Leslie Keens

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panel so which would be really cool

443
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fingers crossed so this is all still

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good so it's really cool because the the

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library the library Isis is housing the

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archives and he has the library has

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students who makes it work as archivists

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and that's why I basically the point of

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story was like say hey this thing exists

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this conference is happening and here's

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kind of

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a little bit behind the scenes and I

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ferrata some photos and I mean I really

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could have been there all day if I

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wanted to just because it's like there's

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so much stuff and I really can't

457
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communicate this the easiest way but

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it's like it's overwhelming how much

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stuff is there and what's there and you

460
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know you saw something if you look

461
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through some of the photo some of the

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photos are kind of vague but it's like

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they have urug yellers experiments they

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have all the data the raw data they have

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the spoon he keep he'd been I think is

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one of the photos I took okay yeah be

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hab ma who's a scientist for NASA they

468
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have his Stargate project stuff oh yeah

469
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yeah crazy it's all I've written I'm

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like a paper some of it some has typed

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up so like what they're doing right now

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is they're archiving if they're doing it

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digitally they're alphabetizing it like

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they're go through so much stuff for

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them to go through like that's why the

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October's the gold so yeah like what is

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theirs and it's crazy to me like when I

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was there that day

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Schreiber aboutwe stuff was taking like

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sometimes they take him off site to

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archive it and they bring it back so

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when I was there the bell light and the

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Schreiber stuff was missing but one of

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the guys I gave me and come back any

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time for the summer you look at it um

486
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who knows the best looking here at this

487
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point yeah the stuff I was able to look

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at I mean there's there's some stuff

489
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without getting in trouble but there's

490
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some stuff in there that like you would

491
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think that shouldn't be out of the open

492
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you know you know yeah because like the

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people if you don't believe that the CIA

494
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you know did any of them remote leave

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her telekinesis I mean it's there I saw

496
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I saw the data I saw the experiments I'm

497
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not trying to sound like I'm cool or

498
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special as I saw it because these

499
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college kids are looking at it every day

500
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when they're archiving and some of them

501
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are really into this stuff like we are

502
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and some of them are just kind of like

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interested in paranormal some of them

504
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are just students of one of those

505
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classes you're like okay whatever it's a

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job like someone don't understand like

507
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how cool it is and then others kind of

508
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cheat you out so it's like one of the

509
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guys I interviewed any good cause it's

510
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um it's like yeah it's a job everyone

511
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saw yeah I guess like stopped in his

512
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yeah so what's happening at Rice it is a

513
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very comprehensive very important

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archive for all these all these people I

515
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mean I said Schreiber ballet trying to

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us is some of the token esis experiments

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and may Stargate is one of the person's

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name it's in the story and be strong

519
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black trainer but there's just so much

520
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stuff that's gonna be that I really

521
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think I mean Rice University is a very

522
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prestigious University and also a very

523
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sought-after school for students to go

524
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to as well but I think this is gonna

525
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make a destination for people visitors I

526
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mean this is gonna be open to the public

527
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you know so I think for anyone who comes

528
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into use of who's into this stuff you

529
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:01,330
know I think they're gonna want to go to

530
00:21:04,620 --> 00:21:03,039
Rice University a to check check this

531
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stuff out considering it's gonna be open

532
00:21:09,389 --> 00:21:07,149
to the public eventually that's the goal

533
00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:09,399
so I just talked on I'm sorry I just

534
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:11,070
kind of rambled on but yeah that's

535
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that's awesome I mean I'm like sitting

536
00:21:21,930 --> 00:21:19,389
here just dreaming go to go there and

537
00:21:24,779 --> 00:21:21,940
actually see this stuff well I'm excited

538
00:21:27,149 --> 00:21:24,789
and like we said hopefully all things

539
00:21:29,549 --> 00:21:27,159
considered when things start to get a

540
00:21:31,139 --> 00:21:29,559
little better that people can get out

541
00:21:36,659 --> 00:21:31,149
there and see back because I think that

542
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,669
is a treasure true well you are dropping

543
00:21:40,919 --> 00:21:38,559
articles like crazy man you've dropped

544
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:40,929
one literally hours before we are

545
00:21:46,289 --> 00:21:44,320
recording this right now and you did an

546
00:21:49,649 --> 00:21:46,299
article about and E's near-death

547
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:49,659
experience and paranormal beliefs and

548
00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:51,850
everything this was pretty cool I mean

549
00:21:59,580 --> 00:21:55,809
this was this was the sort of punk rock

550
00:22:01,769 --> 00:21:59,590
or cryptozoology paranormal site of your

551
00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:01,779
or your website and we're moving away

552
00:22:08,639 --> 00:22:06,340
from UFOs maybe maybe but how how belief

553
00:22:10,590 --> 00:22:08,649
systems work in all this so could you

554
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:10,600
tell us a little about this most recent

555
00:22:12,810 --> 00:22:11,919
article that you wrote this just

556
00:22:16,409 --> 00:22:12,820
fascinating

557
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:16,419
yes so when I was researching for the

558
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:17,850
book I was looking at a different

559
00:22:24,810 --> 00:22:22,570
academic academic takes on paranoid and

560
00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:24,820
the more I said the more side of this

561
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,950
it's like there's so many connections we

562
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,960
can make from everything from UFOs and

563
00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:31,360
Leslie Kean was here and treated her you

564
00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:32,710
know you just met with her recently -

565
00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:35,740
and issues on the show and one of the

566
00:22:40,830 --> 00:22:36,940
things I asked her you know is this a

567
00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:40,840
logical next step from UFOs to you know

568
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,340
the experiences and that's I think a

569
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:43,840
question that needs to be asked because

570
00:22:50,399 --> 00:22:46,960
so much between everything we study and

571
00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:50,409
that and life after death consciousness

572
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:52,900
like it's all 1 billion was something

573
00:22:56,430 --> 00:22:54,330
I've heard from many people you know

574
00:22:57,269 --> 00:22:56,440
professor prattles other one he's like

575
00:22:59,010 --> 00:22:57,279
they're all connected

576
00:23:01,799 --> 00:22:59,020
he's very nonchalant about it series I

577
00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:01,809
know this is it's all the same I mean so

578
00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:03,340
many of the people that we respect kind

579
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:05,590
of feel the same way to use it's all one

580
00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:07,330
phenomena what that is we still don't

581
00:23:11,730 --> 00:23:10,510
know but I think the more we kind of

582
00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:11,740
look into it it's like this is all

583
00:23:16,169 --> 00:23:13,990
connected somehow so when I was looking

584
00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:16,179
into some of the theories hypothesis

585
00:23:24,269 --> 00:23:21,100
people were coming up with this it the

586
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:24,279
name came up of Gregory fusion and I

587
00:23:28,289 --> 00:23:27,130
looked him up and he's on two books

588
00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:28,299
about the afterlife

589
00:23:33,899 --> 00:23:32,200
and near death experiences and know me

590
00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:33,909
that he was quoted in quite a few the

591
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:36,460
academic papers almost reading and he

592
00:23:40,049 --> 00:23:37,570
does a really good job of explaining

593
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:40,059
some of these theories one of them is

594
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:43,570
called a draw blank right now there's

595
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:45,730
two different hypotheses on how people

596
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:53,649
one of the guy named David Huffer

597
00:23:58,990 --> 00:23:56,450
basically this the old hag right where

598
00:24:02,080 --> 00:23:59,000
you yeah yeah prefer that right now he's

599
00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:02,090
called webbing china is called ah yeah

600
00:24:07,629 --> 00:24:05,960
and if she's had a really good take on

601
00:24:09,580 --> 00:24:07,639
that so I wanted to hear be able just

602
00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:09,590
because for my book but I was like you

603
00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:11,750
know what be in the evening you know I

604
00:24:15,159 --> 00:24:13,220
just wrote an article about that Leslie

605
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:15,169
Kean you just had a brown recently so

606
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:17,690
this stuff is still kind of in the UFO

607
00:24:21,850 --> 00:24:19,970
be sworn as kind of because of the

608
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:21,860
paranormal stuff and the UFO stuff is

609
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:23,510
really kind of merging together as we

610
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,570
see a lot born at these days so I mean

611
00:24:31,389 --> 00:24:28,880
it's all kind of one under the same

612
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,399
umbrella so I interviewed I you know

613
00:24:35,019 --> 00:24:32,960
that months ago about a couple months

614
00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:35,029
ago me he was out of town and I got the

615
00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:36,769
answers back to him but he was really

616
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,750
cool really nice he's on vacation and

617
00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:40,159
Beauty huge he has a punk rock

618
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,470
background somehow to I don't know how I

619
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:44,840
mean he didn't tell me but he was like

620
00:24:50,379 --> 00:24:49,130
oh yeah I like punk rock this is fun

621
00:24:53,769 --> 00:24:50,389
because I mean he it has bunch of

622
00:24:55,389 --> 00:24:53,779
different PhDs and was a well so good

623
00:24:57,460 --> 00:24:55,399
interesting cuz he he really has a

624
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,470
really good take on the paranormal and

625
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:00,080
your experience and how it kind of

626
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,610
cross-cultural and connects but he's

627
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:03,919
also very you can't feel Ted very

628
00:25:07,210 --> 00:25:05,809
skeptically to it's like okay these are

629
00:25:09,789 --> 00:25:07,220
people's beliefs it doesn't necessarily

630
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,799
mean it's proof so I think he looks at

631
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:11,360
it very objectively and one of the

632
00:25:15,310 --> 00:25:13,190
things he said in the interview was you

633
00:25:16,810 --> 00:25:15,320
know he tends to question everything and

634
00:25:18,490 --> 00:25:16,820
it's like man that's one of the first

635
00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:18,500
thing I learned in journalism you should

636
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:21,260
question every paint so yeah that

637
00:25:25,450 --> 00:25:23,210
article just came out today and I mean

638
00:25:27,070 --> 00:25:25,460
it gets it's a good read because right

639
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:27,080
now people he stuffed it ready to

640
00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:29,510
probably take a lottery because it's

641
00:25:35,710 --> 00:25:30,590
funny like when you interview people

642
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,720
like my interview you or like academics

643
00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:38,000
like it's funny because I'm usually I

644
00:25:42,909 --> 00:25:40,940
get you interview people to write about

645
00:25:48,610 --> 00:25:42,919
you do it where it's like on a podcast

646
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,620
or on a you know or video like I know

647
00:25:52,299 --> 00:25:50,000
sometimes you need a reason you do

648
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,309
stories for real planet yeah do you ever

649
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:54,320
notice when you it's not like other

650
00:25:59,860 --> 00:25:56,450
people give quotes y'all write novels I

651
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,870
don't mean a thing but it's the you know

652
00:26:02,889 --> 00:26:01,279
these it's like well you're not used to

653
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:02,899
constantly writing it so I think how the

654
00:26:06,030 --> 00:26:03,610
interview

655
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:06,040
in print somebody like the academic

656
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:08,170
world they always take them because they

657
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:12,010
write you novels yeah very long but

658
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,810
you're answering us was along because

659
00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:15,760
they're very well thought out to like

660
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:17,800
you answer like the question in the

661
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:22,000
question which is a service it's just in

662
00:26:24,780 --> 00:26:22,570
the market

663
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:24,790
like talent you know I mean oh well I

664
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:28,210
just say I come from a playwriting

665
00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:30,600
background and you can't shut us up

666
00:26:36,510 --> 00:26:34,180
writing dialogue so that I'm gonna go

667
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:36,520
with that over um having very good

668
00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:40,480
talented things no you do on-air stuff

669
00:26:45,540 --> 00:26:43,630
to you how it works yeah I said anytime

670
00:26:48,030 --> 00:26:45,550
you usually entering people connected in

671
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:48,040
or when you ask for clothes you know

672
00:26:51,570 --> 00:26:49,570
what I think he asked for clothes here

673
00:26:53,670 --> 00:26:51,580
I'm thinking in a journalistic way like

674
00:26:56,430 --> 00:26:53,680
you know a few sentences cozzens yeah

675
00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:56,440
yeah they reply back with like three

676
00:27:02,640 --> 00:26:58,980
paragraphs per question

677
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:02,650
I mean summarize something in academic

678
00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:05,440
says in like a concise way I I wouldn't

679
00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:06,550
even know where to begin

680
00:27:10,350 --> 00:27:08,830
well it all depends on the context of

681
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:10,360
the earth on this one was like a Q&A

682
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,130
format so it was easy I put all his

683
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:13,840
answers in there but for the book I'm

684
00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:15,700
using some of those quotes my book too

685
00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:17,980
I mean I'm kind of trying to copy at it

686
00:27:21,030 --> 00:27:19,540
and do it where you're not changing what

687
00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:21,040
they say just make it more concise and

688
00:27:26,130 --> 00:27:23,320
you know taking shoes we can use here

689
00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:26,140
but yeah that story just kind of felt it

690
00:27:29,490 --> 00:27:28,030
fell into my lap today because you got

691
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:29,500
back to me with the questions yesterday

692
00:27:34,890 --> 00:27:33,310
I said okay I will I definitely suggest

693
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:34,900
people check that one out like you said

694
00:27:40,410 --> 00:27:37,330
I think these worlds are really starting

695
00:27:43,950 --> 00:27:40,420
to become much more malleable when it

696
00:27:46,410 --> 00:27:43,960
comes to connections and everything and

697
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:46,420
one group who's done that really well I

698
00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:49,330
think I'm kind of shameless promoting

699
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:52,060
them right now is the guys over Planet

700
00:27:57,390 --> 00:27:54,010
weird and the girls over kind of weird

701
00:27:59,940 --> 00:27:57,400
Greg and Dana Newkirk honor and Oh Carl

702
00:28:02,400 --> 00:27:59,950
Pfeiffer all these guys came out with

703
00:28:04,530 --> 00:28:02,410
Hellion season two and I know it's going

704
00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:04,540
back a little bit but you did write a

705
00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:07,000
review of season two a failure and I'd

706
00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:09,400
love to sort of revisit that with you

707
00:28:15,030 --> 00:28:11,620
for a moment about your personal

708
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:15,040
thoughts on that this show how they mix

709
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:17,410
the supernatural with the paranoia

710
00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:20,650
would they you four knots and and the

711
00:28:26,270 --> 00:28:22,630
connections that they came up with and

712
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:26,280
also the way that sort of paranormal

713
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,840
television is going this is unlike

714
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:30,640
anything we've really seen before is

715
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,770
what these guys have done I think said

716
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:34,720
Jeff Breedlove is sort of doing the same

717
00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:37,090
thing where they're they're taking the

718
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:39,670
reigns and saying you know forget about

719
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:41,170
these huge networks with the

720
00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:44,170
restrictions like let's do solid in

721
00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:46,750
investigations in research yeah I guess

722
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:48,790
give us what you got what did you think

723
00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:51,010
of heavier season two and what do you

724
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,140
think about this sort of new movement

725
00:28:58,350 --> 00:28:55,600
from independent paranormal television I

726
00:28:59,880 --> 00:28:58,360
think well I'll start with the the new

727
00:29:01,890 --> 00:28:59,890
movement of independent turn on

728
00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:01,900
television it is year that nine years

729
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:04,150
months ago I did this really big

730
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:06,490
comprehensive article about how media is

731
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:09,310
portraying UFOs in terms of night were

732
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:12,370
we seem like in television I got quotes

733
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:15,250
from a lot of big name you know

734
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:17,710
producers who work on you know someone

735
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:19,930
who worked for CW someone who worked for

736
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:24,250
a a some other production people but I

737
00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:25,570
also wanted to get the independent

738
00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:27,580
voices to and I got my interviewed Seth

739
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,560
and Greg Newkirk as well and just

740
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:31,120
thinking I had that balance

741
00:29:34,410 --> 00:29:33,010
I thought those I really want the really

742
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:34,420
worked on their articles I wanted to

743
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:38,290
have a lot of perspective because there

744
00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:40,270
are two sides to it but I mean I think

745
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:43,420
definitely would ya the DIY aspect that

746
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:45,910
Seth and a great new career doing is

747
00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:48,750
just amazing I was blown away by

748
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:51,220
everything they do and when I watch

749
00:29:56,010 --> 00:29:53,530
telly your season one I was like what is

750
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:56,020
this like this is amazing and I think

751
00:30:00,540 --> 00:29:58,690
season two really blew my mind it really

752
00:30:02,340 --> 00:30:00,550
they were referencing books that I had a

753
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,350
hadn't read but I saw reference other

754
00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:05,200
places and there's just so many

755
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:07,630
connections that Hellyer makes and I'm

756
00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:11,080
not trying to exaggerate it but I think

757
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:13,780
in terms of time power wfos I think this

758
00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:15,130
is going to be when it's all said and

759
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:16,840
done I think it's gonna be a very

760
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:19,690
important it's gonna be a very important

761
00:30:22,170 --> 00:30:20,470
piece of the puzzle

762
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,180
I think I become heard in my opinion

763
00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:24,640
like for me and I'm not just I'm not

764
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:27,280
just saying this is I really enjoyed it

765
00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:30,490
I mean yeah I was blown away by I had

766
00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:32,500
the opportunity to meet Greg about a

767
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,300
month ago he was in Eastern for a film

768
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:36,640
festival and I got to meet him and have

769
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:38,110
dinner with him and he's such a nice guy

770
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:40,630
and I'm glad to call him friend now but

771
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:42,190
even before that you know I was like man

772
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:43,810
I don't want to meet this dude I want to

773
00:30:48,210 --> 00:30:45,970
like you know pick his brain just

774
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,220
because about the show stuff not just

775
00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:50,320
you had the behind-the-scenes stuff but

776
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:51,700
like you know what it was like and

777
00:30:56,190 --> 00:30:53,290
readers where I talk to me he's such a

778
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:56,200
nice nice nice guy so all the success

779
00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:57,370
that they're getting is well-deserved

780
00:31:01,380 --> 00:30:59,080
but in terms of the things that they're

781
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:01,390
hitting on you know I was playing this

782
00:31:06,050 --> 00:31:03,910
around in my head and be like it's a be

783
00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:06,060
impossible to hope some of some of this

784
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:09,870
because you'd have to read every book on

785
00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:13,090
all these subjects somehow they did

786
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:16,780
connect and then somehow

787
00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:20,730
have this is this element of

788
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:23,980
Investigation to it so like today I mean

789
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:26,700
it's it's a mind-blowing

790
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:29,590
show and I remember when I was watching

791
00:31:32,130 --> 00:31:30,730
like there's sometimes like where I

792
00:31:33,570 --> 00:31:32,140
watched I was getting uncomfortable like

793
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:33,580
man should I be watching this like I'm

794
00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:36,010
at my party something like larger and

795
00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:38,590
everyman stuff was crazy because like

796
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:40,120
it's everywhere now and when I was

797
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:42,130
talking to Greg but when I did it with

798
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:43,480
them while they do i I was just watching

799
00:31:49,049 --> 00:31:46,720
Sabrina the season 3 and green man's the

800
00:31:50,610 --> 00:31:49,059
main villain like pan is like showing up

801
00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:50,620
everywhere pop-culture it's just like a

802
00:31:55,289 --> 00:31:53,380
weird thing like and I remembered I was

803
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:55,299
it being mutants and mystics faster

804
00:31:59,490 --> 00:31:57,520
Bibles book he references this book a

805
00:32:01,919 --> 00:31:59,500
tad orphan which I happened I've never

806
00:32:03,539 --> 00:32:01,929
read but this is saying my books of

807
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,549
collecting dust until now now I'm

808
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:05,200
actually gonna start reading it and they

809
00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:08,220
reference when they referenced that and

810
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:10,630
I'm telling her I was like holy [\h__\h]

811
00:32:20,299 --> 00:32:17,260
this is totally like I can't because

812
00:32:23,130 --> 00:32:20,309
it's a very obscure book it really is

813
00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:23,140
but I mean this is a fictional book but

814
00:32:27,810 --> 00:32:25,150
it's in the eighteen hundreds is talking

815
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:27,820
about a Greek goddess of the earth in

816
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:30,700
Kentucky and goblins in these these

817
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:32,650
white beings in Kentucky like who would

818
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:34,809
think to write about that in Kentucky

819
00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:37,600
been yeah I mean right so there's so

820
00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:39,700
many parallels that it draws and it

821
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:41,320
really got me inspired like I mentioned

822
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:42,850
hell you're all the time out of people

823
00:32:49,140 --> 00:32:46,440
like dude you have to watch it before

824
00:32:51,210 --> 00:32:49,150
for spring break we had a day at work

825
00:32:52,649 --> 00:32:51,220
that teach full time so we had a

826
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:52,659
development day but we were able to

827
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,030
teach the teachers something but we have

828
00:32:59,549 --> 00:32:57,760
no kids I did a little lesson on UFOs

829
00:33:01,140 --> 00:32:59,559
and paranormal and I talked for about 15

830
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:01,150
minutes just about how are you because I

831
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:03,070
thought you know what I'm gonna get

832
00:33:07,409 --> 00:33:04,570
weird I'm gonna throw them the weirdest

833
00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:07,419
stuff and then one of one of my

834
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:09,789
co-workers super really cool but she's

835
00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:11,710
also you know I would never ever expect

836
00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:14,620
her to buy any of this she's like yeah

837
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:15,820
you know what she said about you know

838
00:33:19,529 --> 00:33:17,980
the goblins of stuff she's like growing

839
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:19,539
up in Mississippi you know that's the

840
00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:21,610
Appalachian area I just see little

841
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:23,140
trolls in the farm and my cousins you

842
00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:24,850
seem to and I'm like I would never

843
00:33:29,980 --> 00:33:26,860
expect her in a million years to come up

844
00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:29,990
and tell me this story so

845
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:33,320
I'm blowing him so yeah what I'm writing

846
00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:35,450
down in the book there's a lot of the

847
00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:36,830
book hammer and a lot of Hellyer ish

848
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:38,750
stuff one of my own personal theories

849
00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:41,210
and the least because I it really it

850
00:33:45,610 --> 00:33:43,220
tied into a lot of stuff now but I was

851
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:45,620
reading separate to Hellyer and some

852
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:47,510
other theories I had to there's just so

853
00:33:52,210 --> 00:33:50,210
many parallels so I think Tellier is

854
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:52,220
going to be massively important no that

855
00:33:57,580 --> 00:33:54,410
sounds like an over-exaggeration but I

856
00:34:00,760 --> 00:33:57,590
think for the people that get it you

857
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:00,770
know it's important yeah it's like that

858
00:34:06,610 --> 00:34:03,170
meme that goes around if you know you

859
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,620
know yeah that's very true I think

860
00:34:11,889 --> 00:34:09,200
anyone who watches Hellyer gets this

861
00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:11,899
sense of now being a part of it in their

862
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,780
own unique ways their own personal ways

863
00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:16,879
they start making synchronicities and

864
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:19,100
connections which are deeply personal

865
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:21,649
things to begin with and how it might

866
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:25,210
lay in this big scheme of things and I

867
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:28,970
think when I had Connor and and Greg on

868
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:31,730
the show they felt as though they were

869
00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:34,129
being initiated into something bigger

870
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:36,950
than them and I feel like every person

871
00:34:42,669 --> 00:34:40,250
who sees the show is now initiated as

872
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:42,679
well whether you want to be or not or

873
00:34:47,290 --> 00:34:45,770
whether you believe you are so yeah I'm

874
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:47,300
excited to see where it goes I know

875
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:50,510
they're already getting so many new

876
00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:52,810
leads after the second season came out

877
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:56,300
so I'm sure we haven't seen the last of

878
00:35:00,430 --> 00:34:58,490
Helier and the last of what the new

879
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:00,440
perks are up to you so I'm looking

880
00:35:03,790 --> 00:35:01,850
forward to whatever comes next with them

881
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:03,800
one thing I was going to add to that or

882
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:05,420
to others kinda just kind of thought

883
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:07,010
about the second ago when you said how

884
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,140
kind of initiating they felt like you

885
00:35:12,849 --> 00:35:11,119
know being initiated you know what if

886
00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:12,859
and this is kind of just popping my head

887
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:14,150
you know like how like the book

888
00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:15,890
encounter or something and you're like

889
00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:18,440
what if this is like a modern version of

890
00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:21,260
that that's a really good point yeah

891
00:35:25,930 --> 00:35:23,900
what you're describing that to my

892
00:35:28,570 --> 00:35:25,940
listeners many people know what the book

893
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:28,580
nation actually is yeah so it's this

894
00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:31,130
idea where you're specifically drawn to

895
00:35:36,250 --> 00:35:34,670
a book for a reason in terms of you

896
00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:36,260
ethology it's kind of like there's a

897
00:35:41,859 --> 00:35:37,940
reason why you're reading that specific

898
00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:41,869
book at that time yeah it's weird

899
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:43,070
because like when I first time I read

900
00:35:45,010 --> 00:35:43,670
that I did

901
00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:45,020
about it for a minute and I was like

902
00:35:48,250 --> 00:35:46,670
wait tonight dude I have something like

903
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:48,260
that I think we all happened some point

904
00:35:52,690 --> 00:35:50,510
I know your sighting was it was sparked

905
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:52,700
you know your interest but for me but I

906
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:55,130
was interested for I saw something and

907
00:35:58,780 --> 00:35:56,750
then my sighting made me want to like to

908
00:36:00,400 --> 00:35:58,790
breathe that's again it again but I just

909
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,410
remember why was i drawn to those books

910
00:36:03,940 --> 00:36:03,200
at such a young age so it's really

911
00:36:06,370 --> 00:36:03,950
fascinating

912
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:06,380
another thing I was gonna add to that

913
00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:15,819
book initiation we will connect these

914
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:19,160
dots looking research shows Helier

915
00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:24,230
watching it well here's my little

916
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:26,420
Bramley while we're at it very cool

917
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:34,400
adorable adorable baby yeah in episode I

918
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:37,730
think it's it's the episode where they

919
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:40,910
they mentioned at a door and the lead

920
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:44,000
they got regarding that was actually

921
00:36:49,180 --> 00:36:46,569
from one of Professor trifles students

922
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:49,190
even that he said that to the Hellyer

923
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:51,890
guys and uh and he's saying he's I get

924
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:53,540
out the one who did that he wants to try

925
00:36:59,170 --> 00:36:56,510
to book them and the festival in

926
00:37:01,210 --> 00:36:59,180
November hopefully cuz he's like he

927
00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:01,220
cause like we follow each other socially

928
00:37:04,510 --> 00:37:02,839
as I know yes I saw you men agree I'd

929
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:04,520
love to have him because I yeah I was

930
00:37:09,549 --> 00:37:07,430
the one who sent them the whoa like mind

931
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:09,559
blown apart so I goes to show you that

932
00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:11,150
like there's some college students who

933
00:37:16,329 --> 00:37:14,630
were watching this and who were able to

934
00:37:19,660 --> 00:37:16,339
kind of draw these connections and some

935
00:37:22,089 --> 00:37:19,670
of these these score books yeah

936
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:22,099
well that's pretty cool in again worlds

937
00:37:28,089 --> 00:37:25,910
colliding yeah I love it well um alright

938
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:28,099
we got to move to the elephant in the

939
00:37:33,339 --> 00:37:28,510
room

940
00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:33,349
ghovat but comes along so much has

941
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:35,329
happened since you and I last talked in

942
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:37,510
terms of to the Stars Academy and

943
00:37:43,210 --> 00:37:40,400
everything Tom DeLonge is doing all the

944
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:43,220
tweets that he deletes after like eight

945
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:47,359
hours um so where do you Mike Demonte

946
00:37:53,890 --> 00:37:49,730
one of the biggest blink fans I know I

947
00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:53,900
know the feeling I'm an angel in

948
00:37:57,460 --> 00:37:55,940
airwaves just awesome

949
00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:57,470
where do you stand today

950
00:38:01,150 --> 00:37:59,330
to the stars we got like you mentioned

951
00:38:03,310 --> 00:38:01,160
earlier we got the whole crowd a thing

952
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,320
now they're working with the US Army

953
00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:05,680
which makes a lot of people really

954
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:08,630
hesitant about what are the real

955
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,490
motivations behind all this

956
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:12,560
so what do you think where do you stand

957
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:15,410
in 2020 today when it comes to what to

958
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:18,410
the stars promise or even what their

959
00:38:22,540 --> 00:38:20,810
mission statement said in turn in what

960
00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:22,550
they're doing today I guess it's a big

961
00:38:28,330 --> 00:38:25,270
loaded question but yeah take your time

962
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:28,340
no I mean so I think it's the same how I

963
00:38:32,380 --> 00:38:30,920
felt then you know I think supporter of

964
00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:32,390
their efforts these days are gonna take

965
00:38:37,710 --> 00:38:35,060
the time is everything that we expect

966
00:38:40,270 --> 00:38:37,720
gonna happen probably not but you know

967
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:40,280
people understand how small they really

968
00:38:44,109 --> 00:38:42,890
are it is a really small operation

969
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:44,119
people don't get that they think because

970
00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:46,310
who's involved you know that it is just

971
00:38:50,109 --> 00:38:48,260
as giant cash machine and there's so

972
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:50,119
many people working and it's really not

973
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:51,310
the case

974
00:38:56,290 --> 00:38:54,650
one of the things I mean I said my

975
00:38:57,310 --> 00:38:56,300
opinion really hasn't changes whatever

976
00:39:00,730 --> 00:38:57,320
said happen anything's going to happen

977
00:39:02,859 --> 00:39:00,740
and then people you do not realize too

978
00:39:05,770 --> 00:39:02,869
that everything Tom dodge tweets is not

979
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:05,780
to the stars were you know it's not like

980
00:39:10,089 --> 00:39:07,250
an official thing if people don't get

981
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:10,099
that they go off the rails you know just

982
00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:11,510
that will use deleted all the time Tom

983
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:12,950
wants a new world order and it's like

984
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:15,230
dude that's not what you said it's so

985
00:39:18,970 --> 00:39:17,720
this is crazy how people like he usually

986
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:18,980
thing all people media folk community

987
00:39:24,490 --> 00:39:21,670
they don't follow Tom before this I

988
00:39:26,140 --> 00:39:24,500
covered I've covered his career like you

989
00:39:28,329 --> 00:39:26,150
know when I was a music journalist of

990
00:39:30,490 --> 00:39:28,339
the Congress I know how Tom operates and

991
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:30,500
he's gonna do this stuff for years of

992
00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:32,210
regarded music so now it's about yes at

993
00:39:35,050 --> 00:39:33,080
least to me

994
00:39:37,089 --> 00:39:35,060
yes people it takes what he's saying his

995
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:37,099
word you know he said years ago that a

996
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,290
neighbor is gonna be the biggest band in

997
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:41,119
the world okay

998
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:43,130
I mean I'm said that hasn't happened but

999
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:45,710
Waikiki no one was crucifying him for

1000
00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:47,810
that like like you know some of the

1001
00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:49,550
people in the UFO community are over his

1002
00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:52,430
you know his idealistic tweet about you

1003
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:55,220
know having a one Dacian I mean if this

1004
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:56,720
isn't new go back to listen to some of

1005
00:40:00,160 --> 00:39:58,609
the angels and his lyrics go back to us

1006
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,170
it's even some of the blank songs I mean

1007
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:02,720
these themes exist my song nothing he's

1008
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:04,910
saying is do is just it's new to some

1009
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:09,140
people but I'll be share like a couple

1010
00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:10,710
of stories that

1011
00:40:16,099 --> 00:40:13,230
gives me more of a perspective on how so

1012
00:40:20,060 --> 00:40:16,109
the stars kind of uses stuffing this is

1013
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:20,070
back in September I think yes it is no

1014
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:22,530
September Asian airwaves was doing their

1015
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:25,890
show and Austin and I went up for

1016
00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:30,180
obviously I mean I'm a big fan and I did

1017
00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:32,700
the the bean green stuff before the show

1018
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:39,390
yeah you see if school is nice and yeah

1019
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,890
waiter not the show see justice was

1020
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:43,599
there I was like oh my god Steve yes

1021
00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:46,990
it's like crazy I don't know that's but

1022
00:40:50,910 --> 00:40:49,270
yeah and like I'd be a lot of the to the

1023
00:40:53,339 --> 00:40:50,920
stars crew is their icons assistant was

1024
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:53,349
there a few other people and I spoke to

1025
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,630
see justice for a few minutes and you

1026
00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:57,040
know he was really nice and the thing I

1027
00:40:59,940 --> 00:40:58,390
told him like hey look you know I'm a

1028
00:41:01,530 --> 00:40:59,950
journalist I'm not an investor because

1029
00:41:04,109 --> 00:41:01,540
you know there'd be a conflict of

1030
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:04,119
interest and he was really like

1031
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:05,530
understanding of that and he was very

1032
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:08,410
supportive of the support that they get

1033
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,640
through your phone one thing i one thing

1034
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:13,839
i was able i was able to draw a

1035
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,430
distinction though at the same time

1036
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:17,440
there's a reason why they're so separate

1037
00:41:21,630 --> 00:41:19,690
from i think one year and it's not like

1038
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:21,640
an arrogance thing or cockiness thing

1039
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:23,170
but it's like think about their

1040
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:24,760
background where they come from all the

1041
00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:27,190
people you know and i'm not saying that

1042
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,660
you know you your foot communities like

1043
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:30,400
bottom feeders and that's that's not

1044
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,930
what I'm saying at all but think about

1045
00:41:35,130 --> 00:41:34,480
it I mean Bentham necessarily for what

1046
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:35,140
their goal is

1047
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:38,890
mainstream thing you know if they don't

1048
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:42,130
need our support 100%

1049
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:43,990
you know I mean it's nice to have it but

1050
00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:45,670
I think that's a reason why if you look

1051
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:48,849
at who they do press to there's a reason

1052
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:50,230
why the only deal with mainstream media

1053
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:52,180
outlets you know if they really wanted

1054
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:53,890
to you know they'd they could come on

1055
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,450
your podcast they didn't for an

1056
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,240
interview you know if they really wanted

1057
00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:00,160
to extend that olive branch but I don't

1058
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:01,390
think they're doing it in a way that's

1059
00:42:06,810 --> 00:42:04,270
being like vindictive or like snobby I

1060
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:06,820
think it's just like look we don't you

1061
00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:09,609
know we just want to breach yeah are

1062
00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:11,320
these these mainstream outlets and kind

1063
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:13,750
of go from there you know or we could

1064
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:17,740
indeed the black Volvo and then just you

1065
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:20,770
know - Lewis all Zano until he has to

1066
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:26,170
come as though it's an approach what can

1067
00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:31,930
I say I'm not trying to take shots you

1068
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:34,660
know I knew that but it's like yeah and

1069
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:36,940
then yeah most respected back in

1070
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:40,000
December they came they played in

1071
00:42:44,130 --> 00:42:42,190
Houston and I met Tom again before the

1072
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:44,140
show and I asked if he had my book and

1073
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:46,450
he did and he says yeah I've I've read

1074
00:42:49,810 --> 00:42:47,930
through I read the whole thing

1075
00:42:52,510 --> 00:42:49,820
and I brought up that I interviewed

1076
00:42:53,890 --> 00:42:52,520
tenday Sean Cahill he's like yeah I keep

1077
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:53,900
it he's like keep up the good work and

1078
00:42:58,030 --> 00:42:56,210
what I got from that was is that they're

1079
00:42:59,950 --> 00:42:58,040
aware of what we're all doing they may

1080
00:43:01,690 --> 00:42:59,960
not acknowledge it all the time but

1081
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:01,700
they're aware of what we're all doing

1082
00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:04,130
but it doesn't change the trajectory of

1083
00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:06,020
what they're doing that makes sense yeah

1084
00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:08,270
totally again I I think what people have

1085
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:11,300
done your stand is this is one company

1086
00:43:17,260 --> 00:43:14,870
this is one perception of the phenomenon

1087
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:17,270
and Tom has his own personal beliefs

1088
00:43:22,810 --> 00:43:20,450
aside from what to the Stars history so

1089
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:22,820
I think you bring up a good point

1090
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:26,810
to the stars is one way to approach

1091
00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:30,800
these phenomena and these ways of doing

1092
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:33,260
it can they reach the mainstream unlike

1093
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:35,510
most of us yeah of course they can but

1094
00:43:39,370 --> 00:43:37,010
that doesn't change the fact that

1095
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:39,380
there's so many UFO researchers out

1096
00:43:45,310 --> 00:43:41,990
there doing their own work continuing to

1097
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:45,320
interview witnesses it's not like these

1098
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,650
Navy tic-tacs are the only UFO sightings

1099
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:50,720
that have happened people are still

1100
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:52,730
having UFO sightings all over the world

1101
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,410
so I think you're right I think it's

1102
00:44:00,970 --> 00:43:57,200
good to remember you know Tom DeLonge

1103
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:00,980
doesn't owe us anything and also vice

1104
00:44:07,330 --> 00:44:04,160
versa like we're all in this for answers

1105
00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:07,340
for ourselves so if you're an investor

1106
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:08,900
that's a whole different story if you

1107
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:10,130
don't feel like you're getting what you

1108
00:44:15,090 --> 00:44:12,890
paid for whole different story but Tom

1109
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:15,100
DeLonge does not owe the UFO community

1110
00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:18,490
anything in my personal

1111
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,740
yeah and I see that it's it's words like

1112
00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:22,960
I don't those interactions with Steve

1113
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:25,180
and the tuba Tom and you know the early

1114
00:44:29,339 --> 00:44:27,849
parts of the fall really kind of put to

1115
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:29,349
the stars in terms of their their

1116
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,550
tradition and it into perspective

1117
00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:32,560
because it you know this whole time I've

1118
00:44:35,579 --> 00:44:34,030
been trying to get you know to talk to

1119
00:44:36,930 --> 00:44:35,589
something that to no avail even though

1120
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:36,940
it's like man I've had relationships

1121
00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:39,790
with you know from the past with some of

1122
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:41,260
that the handlers like well why can't I

1123
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,250
get this interview now and as

1124
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,040
frustrating for me as a journalist is

1125
00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:46,720
like look man I used to work for you

1126
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:47,800
know there's a top for media

1127
00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:49,690
organization now I run this little blog

1128
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:51,880
but it's like hey look I'm legit hey you

1129
00:44:53,609 --> 00:44:52,570
look at me

1130
00:44:55,290 --> 00:44:53,619
you know I was kind of like that you

1131
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:55,300
know you get kind of frustrated but the

1132
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:56,650
same time though it's like look I'm not

1133
00:45:02,370 --> 00:44:59,130
vice I'm not Washington Post you know

1134
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,380
not CNN not New York Times so I think a

1135
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:04,240
lot of people UFO community it's kind of

1136
00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:05,500
like to pollute the blow - there we go -

1137
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:07,630
okay why don't you talk to us you know

1138
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:10,150
it's like I wish they would but at the

1139
00:45:15,210 --> 00:45:12,450
end of the day you know their goal is is

1140
00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:15,220
beyond that you know it's you know it's

1141
00:45:19,470 --> 00:45:17,470
it's these mainstream media helmets when

1142
00:45:21,060 --> 00:45:19,480
they do press they don't depress often

1143
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,070
but really no and a lot of times it's

1144
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:23,200
done through news releases - which a lot

1145
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:25,150
of companies and organizations do I mean

1146
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:26,950
the goal of those news releases that

1147
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:28,330
they send out that they do on their

1148
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:31,210
website or they email people or - is to

1149
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,950
basically just say hey this news is out

1150
00:45:37,290 --> 00:45:35,200
there then journalists can take that

1151
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:37,300
write on it and then pursue a story from

1152
00:45:41,490 --> 00:45:39,160
there so that's the goal of those news

1153
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:41,500
releases and I think that's the magic

1154
00:45:46,020 --> 00:45:43,210
that they do a lot of their their press

1155
00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:46,030
press through those news releases right

1156
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,940
and I think oh no I was just gonna say

1157
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:51,520
they and they only come out with a press

1158
00:45:56,730 --> 00:45:54,310
release or a story when something has

1159
00:46:01,280 --> 00:45:56,740
happened there's something big is gonna

1160
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:01,290
you know shake the foundation of UFO

1161
00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:04,570
researcher discoveries they've made so

1162
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:07,270
yeah I think it's good if we're just

1163
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,130
getting these like tiny teases like Tom

1164
00:46:17,579 --> 00:46:15,040
had done for so long that's when people

1165
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,589
get frustrated I think now they've made

1166
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:19,839
a concerted effort to be like if we have

1167
00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:22,450
nothing to say why did I'll say it sir

1168
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,380
yeah we know when we see a new official

1169
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:28,720
to the Stars statement on something

1170
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:31,270
something big probably happens

1171
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,610
yeah yeah I think part of that too is it

1172
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:34,720
you know maybe they're not allowed to

1173
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:36,670
say some say something yet you know this

1174
00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:39,520
isn't Hawaii results in yet no or maybe

1175
00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:41,380
we can't publish this yet but if you

1176
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:42,670
myself don't have to realize these

1177
00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:44,050
things don't happen overnight I know

1178
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,640
it's not happening as fast as some

1179
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:47,440
people would like but it's like I'd

1180
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:50,050
rather have them be accurate then first

1181
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:51,010
if that makes sense

1182
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:53,170
oh that's it looks like let them do

1183
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:54,400
their thing we have so many other things

1184
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,260
to occupy ourselves in the meantime you

1185
00:47:00,060 --> 00:46:58,480
know I've identified season two is

1186
00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:00,070
shooting now so hopefully we'll have

1187
00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:02,500
that you know to hold us over maybe some

1188
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,700
of the results will be in that show and

1189
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:05,920
people may want to bash them for using a

1190
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:09,070
TV show as the outlet to present this

1191
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:11,140
information well so big it's on History

1192
00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:13,030
Channel it's on a mainstream network you

1193
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:14,860
know yeah where are you gonna reach the

1194
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:18,460
most people and and honestly like

1195
00:47:25,350 --> 00:47:21,670
anything they do whether they mean to or

1196
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,360
not affects us as UFO researchers for

1197
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:27,520
the good I mean I can't tell you how

1198
00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:29,110
many people have reached out to me after

1199
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,260
seeing unidentified or after reading the

1200
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:34,240
New York Times article I was they came

1201
00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:37,390
it's astounding the amount of people who

1202
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:39,790
came to us and were now looking for

1203
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:42,940
answers when they didn't give a crap

1204
00:47:48,270 --> 00:47:46,240
about UFOs only a month before that so

1205
00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:48,280
these things do have a trickle effect

1206
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:51,790
and if you're not sitting down having a

1207
00:47:57,630 --> 00:47:54,609
beer wid Tom DeLonge um that's hope

1208
00:48:00,060 --> 00:47:57,640
that's a whole different story but what

1209
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:00,070
he's doing is affecting our work whether

1210
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:03,760
we like it or not so I love it I love I

1211
00:48:08,250 --> 00:48:05,710
still support everything they do and

1212
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:08,260
like you as a podcaster or a

1213
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:13,210
quote/unquote UFO journalist I too want

1214
00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:15,850
to remain objective so no I have no

1215
00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:19,300
stake in the company um if it goes away

1216
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:22,630
so be it if it stays awesome I can't

1217
00:48:26,730 --> 00:48:24,609
wait to see what they come out with next

1218
00:48:29,099 --> 00:48:26,740
but it's definitely it's definitely

1219
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:29,109
provided us with enough chatter

1220
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:31,930
online Mike and I want to ask your

1221
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:35,830
opinion on this hashtag UFO Twitter know

1222
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:38,170
this has become kind of an official

1223
00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:41,170
thing just like most things it started

1224
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,940
from the ground up and people started

1225
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:44,559
using it as a hash

1226
00:48:47,999 --> 00:48:45,609
when they're talking about you of those

1227
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:48,009
but it's like now this new movie and

1228
00:48:54,809 --> 00:48:51,130
it's got a big following so I got to ask

1229
00:48:56,969 --> 00:48:54,819
your opinion having taken part in a like

1230
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:56,979
almost like a video about you on Twitter

1231
00:49:02,279 --> 00:49:00,119
what it is what it represents I too just

1232
00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:02,289
contributed a video to their next

1233
00:49:07,410 --> 00:49:04,660
installment um what do you make of this

1234
00:49:09,269 --> 00:49:07,420
hashtag UFO Twitter what's going on on

1235
00:49:11,130 --> 00:49:09,279
there and do you think it's good bad

1236
00:49:13,259 --> 00:49:11,140
somewhere in between yeah what do you

1237
00:49:14,189 --> 00:49:13,269
think oh there's some people who really

1238
00:49:16,589 --> 00:49:14,199
get out

1239
00:49:19,170 --> 00:49:16,599
Danny soul who is always really good on

1240
00:49:21,569 --> 00:49:19,180
tweeting Joe mirja there's quite a few

1241
00:49:25,289 --> 00:49:21,579
players that are copy are really pushing

1242
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:25,299
the conversation UFO Jesus so yeah

1243
00:49:27,929 --> 00:49:26,559
taking part in that video was pretty

1244
00:49:30,059 --> 00:49:27,939
cool just to kind of see what everyone

1245
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:30,069
thinks about it I sit in the video it's

1246
00:49:34,049 --> 00:49:32,410
like there's two sides to it there's the

1247
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:34,059
really cool side where people are able

1248
00:49:39,569 --> 00:49:36,180
to talk about this subject and share

1249
00:49:41,099 --> 00:49:39,579
stories and and then there's the bad

1250
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:41,109
side where there's this negativity you

1251
00:49:45,299 --> 00:49:43,569
know which is just kind of reflective of

1252
00:49:47,969 --> 00:49:45,309
the UFO community in general you know I

1253
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,979
mean of this Kasich infighting so at one

1254
00:49:52,439 --> 00:49:50,079
point it kind of creates more more than

1255
00:49:54,569 --> 00:49:52,449
fighting and then it also afraid some

1256
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:54,579
french tips along the way so I mean I

1257
00:49:59,459 --> 00:49:56,650
think it's just like any you know

1258
00:50:01,469 --> 00:49:59,469
Twitter you know I NBA Twitter or hockey

1259
00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:01,479
Twitter or you know I mean anything that

1260
00:50:05,459 --> 00:50:03,400
people follow you know there's gonna be

1261
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:05,469
the good the bad I mean it's just

1262
00:50:09,499 --> 00:50:07,569
just another outlet of the community and

1263
00:50:12,959 --> 00:50:09,509
I mean I'm thinking like if I'm somebody

1264
00:50:15,779 --> 00:50:12,969
who let's say if I work for the History

1265
00:50:17,489 --> 00:50:15,789
Channel or I work for the stars I don't

1266
00:50:19,769 --> 00:50:17,499
think I'm gonna be looking too much of a

1267
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:19,779
your phone should Twitter the terms of

1268
00:50:22,650 --> 00:50:21,400
the saying in terms of like the

1269
00:50:24,419 --> 00:50:22,660
discourse of moving things forward

1270
00:50:25,620 --> 00:50:24,429
because it's I said there's a lot of

1271
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:25,630
things I would personally turn me away

1272
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:27,910
if I was looking at you know just some

1273
00:50:31,859 --> 00:50:29,049
of the behaviors and some of the

1274
00:50:33,479 --> 00:50:31,869
constant fighting so I think the thing

1275
00:50:35,429 --> 00:50:33,489
is cool that some of us researchers get

1276
00:50:37,019 --> 00:50:35,439
involved in it every once awhile like

1277
00:50:39,590 --> 00:50:37,029
I'll chime in I try to do less is that

1278
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,600
my juicer just because it's like

1279
00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:42,240
I noticed like the people who who do

1280
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,620
podcasts and websites and articles and

1281
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,000
stuff letting you know a lot of times we

1282
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:50,880
have our fingers tied and that sometimes

1283
00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:52,740
I think it's good sometimes I think

1284
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:54,660
we're born it's cool to kind of engage

1285
00:50:58,310 --> 00:50:56,850
and UFO Twitter and have these

1286
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,320
conversations but I think it's other

1287
00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:00,960
times as hey let's do work and then let

1288
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:02,280
our work speak for themselves that

1289
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:03,960
people can make conversations based off

1290
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:05,610
their work I think that's really cool

1291
00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:08,490
too when you know one of us does work

1292
00:51:12,350 --> 00:51:10,080
and that it becomes a conversation piece

1293
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:12,360
I think that's a really good aspect to

1294
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:13,500
info Twitter you see how these big

1295
00:51:18,890 --> 00:51:16,380
threads and I think that's that's

1296
00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:18,900
definitely positive for sure but for me

1297
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:21,780
I think UFO tours cool I don't engage in

1298
00:51:26,090 --> 00:51:24,660
as much as I probably used to or even at

1299
00:51:26,420 --> 00:51:26,100
all I be everyone so I guess I'll chime

1300
00:51:34,550 --> 00:51:26,430
in

1301
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:34,560
ever good dude so yeah yeah yeah they're

1302
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:36,840
passionate that's the word I would use

1303
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:38,730
and we need more of that everything

1304
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:41,730
before UFO Twitter happened before to

1305
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:43,890
the stars happen I'm gonna be honest the

1306
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:47,400
UFO field was boring as [\h__\h] scale and

1307
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:49,950
we're talking about Roswell and Rendell

1308
00:51:54,110 --> 00:51:51,270
show me don't get me wrong like those

1309
00:51:57,140 --> 00:51:54,120
are my favorite cases and the case

1310
00:51:58,580 --> 00:51:57,150
history is what we thrive on but we were

1311
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,590
always looking for something new to

1312
00:52:04,610 --> 00:52:00,480
shake things up and I think it's

1313
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:04,620
happened and when that shift happens you

1314
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:06,690
do start to see a lot of the older guard

1315
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:08,760
as it were start to get a little

1316
00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:11,700
hesitant and like what is this what a

1317
00:52:16,690 --> 00:52:13,500
what's going on

1318
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:16,700
nada not in my backyard sort of better

1319
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:20,130
but we love them and I think if the

1320
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,810
younger people can build off of the

1321
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,940
research that came before them that's

1322
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:25,440
all we can ask for and there are some

1323
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:27,810
really good conversations going on over

1324
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:30,510
on UFO Twitter so I definitely suggest

1325
00:52:34,820 --> 00:52:32,220
people check that out

1326
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:34,830
well to sort of wrap things up like I

1327
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:37,920
got a bring it back to unfortunately

1328
00:52:44,180 --> 00:52:40,380
kovat 19 what we're dealing with with

1329
00:52:47,090 --> 00:52:44,190
this global pandemic optimistically we

1330
00:52:50,420 --> 00:52:47,100
make it out of this clearly not

1331
00:52:53,410 --> 00:52:50,430
unscathed but we find a way to get

1332
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:53,420
through these things we always do

1333
00:52:59,230 --> 00:52:55,730
coming out on the other side of it do

1334
00:53:03,100 --> 00:52:59,240
you think this is gonna affect people's

1335
00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:03,110
beliefs or the way they interact or just

1336
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,360
the human condition coming out of

1337
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:07,520
something unprecedented that we haven't

1338
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:10,970
seen before um where where do you think

1339
00:53:17,830 --> 00:53:15,650
we'll be as a race the human race in

1340
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:17,840
terms of looking at the alien question

1341
00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:20,540
after all of this it's a big broad

1342
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:22,550
question but I'd love to get your son

1343
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:25,490
where can we even begin to ask that

1344
00:53:29,070 --> 00:53:27,010
question

1345
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:29,080
man that's that's such a really

1346
00:53:33,150 --> 00:53:30,610
important question I mean you look at it

1347
00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:33,160
like you know how does humanity react in

1348
00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:38,260
the face of you know strife you know I

1349
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:40,030
mean just look I mean you see people

1350
00:53:44,850 --> 00:53:41,950
band together during natural disasters

1351
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:44,860
and acts of terrorism I think this is no

1352
00:53:49,290 --> 00:53:46,510
different I think there needs to be

1353
00:53:52,170 --> 00:53:49,300
obviously more solidarity amongst the

1354
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:52,180
people David that comes from our

1355
00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:54,010
leadership in this country there's no

1356
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:55,540
reason why Florida beaches should be

1357
00:53:59,610 --> 00:53:58,090
open I live in Houston which is the

1358
00:54:02,310 --> 00:53:59,620
fourth largest city as of right now

1359
00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:02,320
there's no lockdown yet and I think

1360
00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:03,670
people get scared that we're about to

1361
00:54:06,690 --> 00:54:04,900
lock that doesn't mean you can't leave

1362
00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:06,700
your house it just means you probably

1363
00:54:11,610 --> 00:54:08,230
leave for important things like

1364
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:11,620
groceries and doctor points you know so

1365
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:13,210
I think people get kind of scared about

1366
00:54:17,310 --> 00:54:15,010
that you know but it's just I'm worried

1367
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:17,320
because a lot of people are putting the

1368
00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:19,150
idea of the economy over people's lives

1369
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:22,180
and the economy has potential to rebound

1370
00:54:26,190 --> 00:54:24,610
we have the money you can put 1.5

1371
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,200
trillion dollars in the wall street you

1372
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:28,720
can you can help out the people you know

1373
00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:30,010
what I was reading I'm not sure when

1374
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:31,990
this is running but you know saying

1375
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:34,450
today was I was reading today was there

1376
00:54:38,610 --> 00:54:36,130
may be pressure to send people back to

1377
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:38,620
work in my two-weeks just didn't kind of

1378
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,210
be going again which would just really

1379
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:42,880
end up costing probably in the long run

1380
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:44,260
it's gonna cost the economy more but

1381
00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:45,430
more people are gonna be an awesome book

1382
00:54:49,710 --> 00:54:47,140
it would be dying so it's like what do

1383
00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:49,720
we value as a society do we value why

1384
00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:51,670
don't you do we value life so you know

1385
00:54:55,530 --> 00:54:53,560
that's kind of like it's it's weird like

1386
00:54:57,390 --> 00:54:55,540
it's showing you know breda showing its

1387
00:54:59,580 --> 00:54:57,400
ugly head right you know I do have

1388
00:55:01,680 --> 00:54:59,590
people you know the people who are

1389
00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:01,690
staying in you know doing it for the

1390
00:55:05,460 --> 00:55:03,190
people with immune problems and for the

1391
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:05,470
older people like that's great you know

1392
00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:06,850
but then you also have the people who

1393
00:55:11,490 --> 00:55:09,880
are like her in charge who were who are

1394
00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:11,500
not you know not doing what needs to be

1395
00:55:15,150 --> 00:55:13,600
done so it's frustrating either at this

1396
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:15,160
time people did so be greedy they'd

1397
00:55:19,410 --> 00:55:17,650
still be ignorant they still not see the

1398
00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:19,420
big picture so

1399
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:20,980
how we come out of this I don't know I

1400
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:23,770
just hope you know we do you know so

1401
00:55:27,810 --> 00:55:25,330
read things could kind of normalize and

1402
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:27,820
we learn anything we you know I think we

1403
00:55:33,630 --> 00:55:28,930
need to learn how to better deal with

1404
00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:33,640
this in the future and yeah yeah it's a

1405
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:35,500
good point you know we've we've seen

1406
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:38,850
some means going around and conspiracies

1407
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:42,010
running rampant and you know there's

1408
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:43,690
probably a little truth to everything

1409
00:55:49,410 --> 00:55:46,510
here and there but it's dangerous when

1410
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,420
it comes to conspiracies so yeah I I

1411
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:52,000
feel the same way I think just do what

1412
00:55:59,700 --> 00:55:54,010
needs to be done and that's to stay in

1413
00:56:01,890 --> 00:55:59,710
and to be healthy be smart and look that

1414
00:56:03,930 --> 00:56:01,900
person next door to you that person

1415
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,940
below you that person across the street

1416
00:56:08,370 --> 00:56:06,640
they're all suffering right now like you

1417
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:08,380
are so you're not the only one out of

1418
00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:11,710
work that's what I want everyone to I I

1419
00:56:17,580 --> 00:56:14,470
mean out of work for god knows how long

1420
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:17,590
but so is the person next to me in the

1421
00:56:22,170 --> 00:56:19,390
person next to me so I think you're

1422
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:22,180
right if we can find inspiration in our

1423
00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:25,570
leadership and work together on this and

1424
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:30,190
show some alien civilization that we as

1425
00:56:37,550 --> 00:56:32,950
a planet can come together when it comes

1426
00:56:40,530 --> 00:56:37,560
to something this globally affecting

1427
00:56:45,150 --> 00:56:40,540
hopefully the welcomed us into the

1428
00:56:48,090 --> 00:56:45,160
crafting Federation I guess I hope I

1429
00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:48,100
hope sensing man well Mike this has been

1430
00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:51,430
extremely refreshing I needed this you

1431
00:56:57,660 --> 00:56:54,430
need this we all need to just keep doing

1432
00:57:00,140 --> 00:56:57,670
this having conversations talking about

1433
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:00,150
the stuff we love which is always UFOs

1434
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:04,030
and I have no doubt that somehow someway

1435
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:06,790
we will get through this

1436
00:57:11,250 --> 00:57:08,560
and we'll be having these UFO

1437
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:11,260
conversations more and more as time goes

1438
00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:14,460
on but for all my listeners and viewers

1439
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:16,780
where can we find everything you're up

1440
00:57:23,610 --> 00:57:19,270
to men and what's going on

1441
00:57:25,170 --> 00:57:23,620
oh yeah punk rock near foes calm I'll be

1442
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:25,180
silly doing stories sharing their I

1443
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:27,970
don't know what's in the works yet yeah

1444
00:57:31,170 --> 00:57:29,770
and I said hopefully the third book

1445
00:57:32,570 --> 00:57:31,180
stranger than fiction hopefully this

1446
00:57:34,820 --> 00:57:32,580
summer

1447
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:34,830
just trying to find a good home for it

1448
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:36,330
so as soon as I find a home hopefully

1449
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:38,850
we'll be out yeah awesome

1450
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:40,500
well I got a thank you again for coming

1451
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,810
on somewhere in the skies and we'll talk

1452
00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:44,880
to you soon thank you it's always a

1453
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:46,830
pleasure being on here so yeah preciate

1454
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:47,070
it